CNN.com - Bin Laden: Goal is to bankrupt U.S. - Nov 1, 2004

This,s a high praise for Ben Laden,s abilities , now he would believe his raving.
Seriously, no one can bunckrupt America but a master piece like Bush

i had figured that bin laden had that exact plan all along and truthfully, i cannot understand why our government did not see it for what it was..

instead, bush fell for the ploy hook, line, and sinker..

bin laden played him perfectly.

FINALLY, SOME ONE REMEMBERED. This has been Bin Laden goal and he is sitting there probably laughing at the USA and saying these people think they have won the war, spending billions a month and McCain is saying keep the troops there with no time table to come out so we end up spending more and more driving billions out of our own economy and placing the AMERICAN PEOPLE, YOU AND ME so deep in a hole we wont even have the funds to defend ourselves. And then our leaders will say we are making progress as the ship sinks. Our leaders, BUSH led this country into a UNNECESSARY WAR and has created an army overseas that is against the USA bigger than any ARMY USA can amass. The army I mean is not just the extremist but the ordinary peple in the world that hold a negative view of America because of our Aggression in the world. American need to step back and regroup and it start with a withdrawal from IRAQ, It needs dialog with all parties including those consider our enemies. We need to understand there clutures and not just try to enforce our Western views on the world.

We are giving BIN LADEN the war on a silver platter. If he not dead already we need to find him. he is the enemy. Even IRAN is not our enemny at this time. So we need to stop stirring the pot and seek diplomatic solutions. If you are not attacked now your allies attacked you have no enemy. The day they lift there hand to do so. YOU OBLITERATE THEM.

America WAKE UP..BIN LADEN IS BREAKING YOUR BANKS.

Islamic Scholar, where do you stand? Do you want the United States to collapse and become an Islamic caliphate? Be honest.

tschreck,

Check the timeline, Pres. Bush has tried to get Congress to raise lending standards. He was repeatedly ridiculed by democrats claiming that poor people (sub-prime) would not be able to get a home. It's the great leadership and foresight of the democrats that got us here. Republicans and Bush are only partially to blame.

With regards to Binladen, it's no secret that the democrats and the enemies of the US have the same agenda.

Naftel
woudl you like to see this nation become a christian theocracy.. just tell me where you stand?

bin ladin could not have asked for anyone better than bush. Ladin also cried about have laughingly predictable the president was.

Still it does give bin ladin a bit of cried but it is hard to argue had we not gone into iraq.. the 700 billion bailout would be an easier pill to swallow

woudl you like to see this nation become a christian theocracy

No, I believe is separation of Church and State as outlined in the Constitution
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bin ladin could not have asked for anyone better than bush.

Maybe so... I still side with Bush over Bin Laden, no matter how many mistakes Bush makes.

My question is still open to Scholar.

Liberal Dems constantly wanting to raise taxes are bankrupting our country without any assistance from Osama. The nail in the coffin would be if Obama gets elected. Pelosi and Obama with no checks and balances will destroy us, by promising handouts for votes. The "real working people" can't pay this bill forever. We are good , but not that good.

Frank - you are amazingly out of touch. Liberals haven't been the ones in power for 12 of the last 14 years. I would really check your GOP concepts against reality because you are seriously confused. Your good friends in the Repub party have brought you this mess. From your free spending president to the folks in congress who have no self control at all - they just opened the government checkbook to their GOP buds and let them have at it.

Amazing how someone can be so delusional. You should be proud of the fact that even someone as totally out of touch as you is still allowed to enter a voting booth and cast a vote. Personally - while I respect the concept - it scares the hell out of me that people like you are able to vote. Just one of the downsides to a republic that we have to live with.

Here is some more fruit for thought on how Obamas tax proposal will destroy our country. 10 Things You Need to Know About Senator Obama's Tax Proposals Under the tax plans of Barack Obama and his Democratic friends in Congress, American families will only be left with… the change in their pockets. In 2009, Barack Obama and the Democratic Congress have an idea for a bill. Well, really, it's a lot of bills that will be paid for by nearly every American in the form of higher taxes and higher costs for food, energy and other products. So if you have a retirement account, work in or shop at a small business, are close or in retirement, or even flip on a light switch, then there are a few things that you should consider. Under that plan: 1. Small main street businesses would be forced to pay tax rates as high as 62.3% under Senator Obama's tax proposals. 2. Senator Obama's tax plan would tax small businesses at a higher rate than large corporations! 3. Taxes on retirement income and savings could increase by at least 33%, hitting millions of seniors when they need these resources the most. 4. million workers over the age of 50 – those eagerly looking forward to retirement – would be hit with increased tax bills. 5. Millions of Americans would only keep 38 cents of every dollar that they earn. 6. Senator Obama's tax plan would reduce the after tax wages of millions of workers by 17.7%. 7. It will take 227 days per year, nearly 8 months, just to pay your tax bill! 8. 97,065 carpenters, 110,908 police officers, 254,992 nurses, 208,562 postsecondary teachers and 237,000 dentists would see tax increases, if the earnings cap was successfully eliminated. 9. 10.3 million workers would see an average of $5,650 taken from their paycheck and given to government programs. 10. Even YOU might be considered "Rich."

I know SM-701919. You like many other cult like liberals are very concerned with people who don't see the world the way you do. Maybe deep down you feel us people who think for ourselves should be silenced much like the communists do. It's for this reason we fight for freedom and yes unfortunately many good men and women have died, so fools like you can also voice your uninformed opinion. Not a lot of anger here just a lot of concern for our country. Maybe we should stop getting our news from Hollywood, who are paid to pretend, and start seeking credible sources. This might be an enlightening experience for you.
Have a great day!

Jim-

It's the great leadership and foresight of the democrats that got us here

wanna try to back that one up?

i'd love to hear you talk of the so called majority that the dems enjoy..

Nobody is denying that Bush has abandoned conservative principles when it comes to the economy. He has definitely spent money like a liberal. This is true! But raising taxes, and making "the people" more dependent on "The Great Pacifier" the Government does not solve the problem either, It will increase the problem drastically. You can call it taxing the rich if you want, but you are taking money out of the free market that provides jobs for small business owners like myself. As a small business owner, i don't want gifts or incentives from "the Great Pacifier" i want to succeed or fail on my own merit. Raising taxes will squash any ones chance of doing anything on their own. I don't know about you but i don't want to be a nation that is totally dependent on their Government. If you keep asking for handouts, you start to get addicted to them. If you understand the repercussions of the "Obama plan" you will see it's a lose-lose for everyone

Frank - I have your type figured out - no need to respond to my posts any more. Your just a nut. As soon as you toss out the communist crap with Hollywood babble and then mix in freedom and that nonsense about Obama leaving you with just change in your pocket - I knew you were just a nut. Feel free to use sources for this information of yours by the way - might seem a little more reliable than just ranting.
You are the same goofballs that said Gore and Kerry would destroy the country. Turn on the TV - it has been Bush who has taken us to the cleaners and left us with just change in our pockets.

Islamic scholar, You never answered Naftels question. It's 1.4 in case there was an oversight

SM-701919 When you turn on your tv what comes on? The View, David Letterman, MTV News, Etc ? Sounds like it. These people are not in touch with real everyday people, most of them aren't even in touch with reality. No ranting here just rightchange.com. It's on the TV also

I'm sure many people felt the same way I did when I said in the very beginning that the goal was to financially bankrupt America. It's poetic justice to prove how evil and corrupt America is to people like Bin Laden. Throughout history the failures of great countries around the world fell from within. These types of people know full well they can't destroy America in military battle. Just simply survive a war of attrition is the real battle plan.It's not the attack on 9-11 that mattered, it is the monies we spend each day to insure it doesn't happen again. It's not to argue whether we should or should not be in Iraq, it's the monies we spend each day to do battle. And even if we "win " tomorrow we will still invest billions into a sandbox just for oil.

Islamic scholar, You never answered Naftels question. It's 1.4 in case there was an oversight

I'm glad someone else is in tune to the silence. Hopefully it is just an oversight and he will answer soon.

Frank - you figured me out. I get all my news from David Letterman. You once again proved my point - your a total tool.

Islamic Scholar, where do you stand? Do you want the United States to collapse and become an Islamic caliphate?

Seriously, wouldn't that be best for everybody?

They could keep the Christian fundamentalists in line. It would be almost like having a 2 party political system except that both groups would be more interested in useless, ineffectual ideology than any sort of practical problem solving...

Why is this sounding so familiar?

Islamic Scholar, where do you stand? Do you want the United States to collapse and become an Islamic caliphate?

Seriously, wouldn't that be best for everybody?

I sense the sarcasm in your answer, but I think any form of Religious fundamentalism is dangerous, Christian fundamentalism included. I think it is a fair question to ask the author who posted this in order to evaluate his motives and his posts. If he doesn't answer, I'll just have to draw my own conclusions.

tschreck,

I thought I did explain it. I never said the Dems had control of Congress. The leadership I meant was the proliferation of the idea that the poor and lower classes are entitled to the same possession and privileges that the middle class and upper class have earned. For example: A house. Where in the Constitution does it say that ALL men (people, but that's how it's written) have the right to happiness and the right to own a house? It doesn't! It says we all have the right to the PURSUIT of happiness. Democrats (and I do have to admit Bush jr. and Reps recently) have been promising all these things and writing checks with our taxes. These promises and loose spending is what got us here. Yes Republicans spent a lot of money but Dems were right there with them with a hand out. Raising taxes, increasing spending, and spreading the wealth is not leadership, it's socialism. And for all those favoring socialism, remember that the Top Cats still make the money in a socialistic society.

I have been saying this to anyone who will listen since I saw this release! I cannot believe there are people who still don't believe it! The plan is larger than the source of the release....people need to research these things and find out where the connections of individuals meet. At any rate, yes, I can't believe it has taken anyone this long to comment. Where is the real news, commentary, debates? Well, there is rarely anything like that. American people want to live in a house with no view of the outside world. That's the majority anyway and the government knows this. Unfortunately, the rest of us, who understands what makes America so great, and have a head on our shoulders are never listened to. Open your minds people! Open your eyes!

Wow, looks like we are getting some people who think for themselves. This is encouraging.

Verry well Scholar... thank you for your response. Would you agree that if it ever came to pass that Americans were forced, by threat of death, to embrace Islam, that would not be part of God's plan. It seems from your post that you would agree with that statement, but I just want to be clear on the subject.

OK Islamic Scholar lets not avoid Naftels new question #1.27. All Americans who have taken the bate blaming Bush, and America for everything, including bad weather WAKE UP. Divided we will fall. There are a lot more "Islamic Scholars" out there, and they want to see This great country fall no matter who is President. Be careful and watch closely when voting for who "you" believe is going to protect our country the best.

Thank you again for your calrification Scholar... May we both live long enough to see a new day where we ALL live together in peace and freedom.

Frank... I agree with your post #1.28, but I take Scholar at his word that he is not among those who wish to impose Islam by threat or force. It is my understanding and my experience that such people are a minority in the Islamic faith, which is not to say they are not a threat, they are, but they do not speak for the majority of their religion.

Would you agree that if it ever came to pass that Americans were forced, by threat of death, to embrace Islam, that would not be part of God's plan

Fundamentalist christian paranoid B.S. is what that is.

It's the same sort of incendiary brainwash that fundamentalists everywhere indoctrinate their sheep with. It doesn't matter the flavor - christian, muslim...it's all the same. It's a lever used in a fashion of: "believe our way, because there's no other way."

You might enjoy crapping your pants at the thought of anyone different than yourself - I don't.

The world is a lot bigger than your pea-brained little philosophy which is, incidentally, the thinking of an uneducated and fearful mob.

Do something useful, take a comparative religious studies course and, no, not one sponsored by your cult.

Seems to be working.

Fundamentalist christian paranoid B.S. is what that is.

Sorry Ire, I am not a fundamentalist Christian. I don't belong to a church and I certainly don't belong to a cult. I simply asked a "what if" question to help in my understanding of what one person, Islamic Scholars, believes. Did you see my post #1.30. There is much more paranoia in your respomse to me than there was in my question to Scholar, who, much more graciously than you, gave a thoughtful reply.